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Posted by Positive Aging Community on 11/30/2023

EMS and Older Adults: Live & Interactive “Behind the Scenes” Discussion


One of every three EMS emergency responses involves older adults and more than one of every six is followed by a repeat transport within 30 days. Join us for a first-hand look at what life is like for a typical EMS team when serving older adults in their homes and community setting. Learn about innovative new approaches designed to better meet the health care needs of our loved ones and clients. https://emergility.com/ or (571) 505-5615 

  • Anthony A. Barone M.P.S., M.P.H., CBCP, CEM, CHMM, NRP, PMP Protective Paramedic  tony@emergility.com
  • Dr. Joseph (Benji) Marfori MD FACEP FAEMS Medical Director  benji@emergility.com
  • Ari Chaskes ari@emergility.com

Questions Asked

  • "EXCELLENT event.  Thank you!  Q:  Myth or Truth?        1) “Put our DNR on the refrigerator for the EMS?” 2) Put “ICE”(in case of emergency” in your iPhone contacts and EMS will know who to call — how does EMS get thru safety settings that need a Passocde??"
  • I once had a sudden, severe food allergy.  Jumped in a taxi - rush hour so taxi driver VERY smartly dropped me off at a nearby Fire Station — where they had liquid Benadryl.  Is that the norm?  Or was I VERY lucky?
  • Refusal form, stay in place, not be transported to hospital, should one keep this form with MOLST OR POLST form posted on refrigerator? So helpful thank you...so much to know...
  • "Is your company nationwide?  IN ALL STATES?"
  • Could the Speakers pls better define when to go to “Urgent Care” or “ER”?  Urgent Care locations are relatively new phenonmenon.
  • How do we provide education to patients, family and community services to know when to go to the hospital vs urgent care? What about times when transportation is the issue and their only options is to call 911 to get care? (also put in chat)
  • So what services does your company provide?
  • Trained, taught, educated, skilled, equipped, so you have a care plan...you have to know first how to take care of yourself... so important
  • Lots of folks are now Solo Agers/Elder Orphans.  Can they “hire” your service or any other type that exists (suggestions?!) to sign us out of let’s say an out-patient surgery (if we do not have good neighbors or friends to help out)?
  • Do areas that have MRT (mobile response team) in place, that may include consenting adults, cut down on EMT responding to urgent matters? Many MH conditions manifest in physical symptoms that can mimic heart attack, etc.
  • "Need more care? How can caregivers know what to do Should caregivers get more training to take care of loved ones? how to know if condition could get worse ?"
  • If a spouse is found a few hours later passed away on the sofa while the other spouse was asleep upstairs, does the law (state-specific??) demand that 911 still is called?  Or is there another govt. office that should be called?  Great speakers!  Thnx!
  • Do EMS staff Look inside the refrigerator for MOLST AND POLST FORMS ... DO THEY READ THESE FORMS?"
  • How long have you offered this health care service?
  • IF your company got a ton of grant funding or investment money, what other services would you all dream of adding (scalable to other locations or more vertical growth into new services?  Thank you for all you all are doing
  • Insurance covers your health care or private pay only?
  • so much to know and or understand...
  • Telehealth...? you mentioned this...
  • If we called your company a “concierge” service, would you dislike that term?
  • Thank you for acknowledging us:  https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/04/11/the-sacrifices-of-an-immigrant-caregiver
  • SMART 911 IS THIS NATIONWIDE? So important to know...
  • YUP!  The first call is to call the Hospice organization and get off hospice before going to ER… The billing coding afterwards if you don’t is hell
  • So can your health care service treat this fungal infection or must they be discharged from hospice for care?

Chat Transcript

12:07:25     From  Bianca Wise : Salute! Retired EMS Lieutenant here that bridged to Homecare!

12:11:20     From  Bianca Wise : I love this stuff LOL Thanks for this topic. It's so important

12:12:43     From  Bianca Wise : Absolutely!

12:14:16     From  sharon sirkis : Wow. such a great point!

12:16:01     From  Bianca Wise : EMS providers are default advocates for vulnerable adults and the non emergency calls in the senior population is often times a result of a vulnerability.

12:17:06     From  Nicole Smith : Can you talk about the DNR forms, orange forms on the fridge, advance directives stored in the freezer etc?

12:17:35     From  Laila Ziayee : with refusal, do you assess capacity for sound decision making?

12:18:17     From  Laila Ziayee : Better question, how do you assess capacity for refusal?

12:18:42     From  Nicole Smith : that is what Urgent Care is for

12:20:20     From  Bianca Wise : @Nicole most EMS systems are not allowed to transport to Urgent Care centers. Only ERs. There are some pilot Community Paramedicine programs that are trialing non emergency transports to UCs

12:20:34     From  Nicole Smith : I meant don't go to ER, go to Urgent Care instead

12:20:45     From  Nicole Smith : don't call 911

12:20:55     From  Amanda Krisher : How do we provide education to patients, family and community services to know when to go to the hospital vs urgent care? What about times when transportation is the issue and their only options is to call 911 to get care?

12:22:30     From  Karen Dotson : I am the Virginia POLST Program Coordinator and those in their last 1-2 years of life due to serious illness and/or frailty are appropriate for this medical order.  In Virginia, there is a relatively new model of care in some limited areas called Mobile Integrated Health (MIH).  Some rural patients lack access to primary care and use 911 and emergency medical services (EMS) to receive healthcare in non-emergency situations. This can create a burden for EMS personnel and health systems in rural areas. Community paramedics can work in a public health and primary care role to address the needs of rural residents in a more efficient and proactive way.

12:23:27     From  Nicole Smith : 12 scariest words... "We're here from the government and we're here to help."

12:23:45     From  Tony (Emergility EMS Agency)   to   Hosts and panelists : https://emergility.com/mih-cp

12:25:46     From  Steve Gurney - ProAging Community : From Tony (Emergility EMS Agency) to All Panelists 12:23 PM

https://emergility.com/mih-cp

12:26:22     From  Steve Gurney - ProAging Community : Anthony A. Barone (tony@emergility.com)

Ari Chaskes (ari@emergility.com)

Dr. Joseph (Benji) Marfori (benji@emergility.com)

12:27:27     From  Bianca Wise : Hemmorhoids

12:28:45     From  Bianca Wise : Nice

12:30:26     From  Angela Blair : So are you like "Urgent Care" for people who can't travel to one?

12:32:24     From  Matthew Burgan : As a board certified community paramedic, I would just like to share that I consider mobile integrated healthcare to be an umbrella descriptor for the myriad of ways that a healthcare system touches patients who have an acute or ongoing health need that is both non-emergent and non-skilled.  Community Paramedicine would be an element of MIH, and a community paramedic is an advanced-practice paramedic operating in an expanded role (either with or without an expanded scope) works to assess and assist patients in the “blind spot” of existing healthcare systems.

12:32:38     From  Nicole Smith : We were lucky that our local urgent care was run by three veteran docs who practiced together in Newark since the 80s.

12:33:21     From  Bianca Wise : Yes!

12:38:03     From  Bianca Wise : Slim

12:38:25     From  Matthew Burgan : Don't forget to put copies of MOLST/POLST paperwork in cars and purses when travelling ?

12:42:54     From  Bianca Wise : CCRCs need you!

12:44:01     From  Nicole Smith : Do you plan to franchise?

12:45:38     From  paula david   to   Hosts and panelists : When are you coming to Baltimore? I've had so many of these experiences with my parents.

12:46:40     From  Tony (Emergility EMS Agency)   to   Hosts and panelists : https://emergility.com/protective-medicine

12:46:56     From  Steve Gurney - ProAging Community : From Tony (Emergility EMS Agency) to All Panelists 12:46 PM

https://emergility.com/protective-medicine

12:50:19     From  Bianca Wise : Would love to know licensing standards and process

12:50:52     From  Beth Mowrey : Are your services covered by insurance and do you serve the uninsured?

12:51:44     From  sharon sirkis : Dr. Marfori, your analogies are great!

12:56:08     From  Tony (Emergility EMS Agency)   to   Hosts and panelists : https://responder.care/

12:56:21     From  Steve Gurney - ProAging Community : From Tony (Emergility EMS Agency) to All Panelists 12:56 PM

https://responder.care/

12:56:40     From  sharon sirkis : Fantastic! Thanks for you service!

12:57:13     From  Tony (Emergility EMS Agency)   to   Hosts and panelists : We have raised just north of $25K in private donations. We have cared for 30+ responder/families! Our 2023 Goal is $50K. Help us continue to protect our Responders!

12:58:03     From  Nicole Smith : ya caregivers!!!

12:58:43     From  Bianca Wise : Do you have to be Paramedic level to work with you?

12:58:54     From  Steve Gurney - ProAging Community : From Tony (Emergility EMS Agency) to All Panelists 12:57 PM

We have raised just north of $25K in private donations. We have cared for 30+ responder/families! Our 2023 Goal is $50K. Help us continue to protect our Responders!

13:01:17     From  Tony (Emergility EMS Agency)   to   Hosts and panelists : https://www.smart911.com/

13:01:44     From  Tony (Emergility EMS Agency)   to   Hosts and panelists : https://www.virginiapolst.org/forms

13:02:38     From  Steve Gurney - ProAging Community : Smart911's lifesaving service has been recognized by thousands of trusted sources across the country and goes through an annual SOC 2 with HIPAA/HITECH assessment to confirm all security controls are appropriate and effective. /https://www.smart911.com/

13:06:09     From  Bianca Wise : EMS Lieutenant Steve LOL

13:06:30     From  Nicole Smith : what is als?

13:06:42     From  Bianca Wise : BAdvanced Life Support

13:07:13     From  Tony (Emergility EMS Agency)   to   Hosts and panelists : ALS - Advanced Life Support

13:07:20     From  Tony (Emergility EMS Agency)   to   Hosts and panelists : BLS - Basic Life Support

13:08:00     From  Bianca Wise : @Nicole ALS means advance life support which is Paramedic level EMT

13:08:19     From  sharon sirkis : lol!  Haley's comet!  what a riot, how true!

13:08:34     From  Steve Gurney - ProAging Community : From Tony (Emergility EMS Agency) to All Panelists 01:07 PM

ALS - Advanced Life Support

BLS - Basic Life Support

13:09:15     From  Bianca Wise : BLS is Basic Life Support which is "basic" level

13:09:30     From  Nicole Smith : www.getyourshittogether.org

13:09:57     From  Bianca Wise : Great discussion

13:10:04     From  Amanda Krisher : Thank you!


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